The Hold-Up with Stephen Stull

Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey - Part 1 (with Michael J. Epstein)

August 3, 2020

Musician/logician/filmician Michael J. Epstein and I prepare ourselves to rewatch Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey (1991), and the conversation quite naturally shifts to torture porn, the pyramids at Giza, and supposedly feminist rape-revenge movies. I mean, obviously, right?


You can find Michael’s work at


If you missed Liquid Television from back in the day, all the “Psychogram” segments are assembled at 


Finally, the Mongolian rape-revenge movie I mentioned was actually Indonesian, which I screwed up because I’m dumb. It’s called Malina the Murderer in Four Acts, and you can see the trailer at 

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